Discussion:
Plastic cherry bombs revisited?
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John Reilly
2006-08-04 15:55:39 UTC
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I found this recent photo from Pirotecnico Reyes (Mexico) and I assume
these gems are a new twist on an old item. Probably work better with
slingshots but doesn't seem to address the reason the original US made
plastic cherry salute was banned. Maybe the CPSC could staff a Mexico
City office now that we have the North American "Free Trade" Agreement.
I'll pop for the first one way ticket and citizenship documents.

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Paco
h***@yahoo.com
2006-08-04 17:37:53 UTC
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Thanks for posting this John.

I've never come across any of these little guys, in spite of my
connections with the fireworks underground. Still, I can see from the
photos why the CPSC would want to ban them. Heck, they long ago banned
traditional cherry bombs.

Still, when I think about it I have to wonder how many readers here
have ever seen a traditional cherry bomb. As luck would have it, I
still have a half empty box of the original things. I figured on
shooting the remaining cherry bombs and selling the empty box on eBay,
but before doing that I'll take a few pictures and post them on
Norleif's wonderful photo site. Then too, I have a partial box of some
illegal NYC M80s as well, and although their box is not so colorful,
I'll photograph them as well.

I still have several cartons of Rozzi rockets and Keystone roman
candles. Do you think that these would be worth photographing and
posting or do you think that photos of these things would simply be too
boring?

Curmudgeonly, Harry C.
Post by John Reilly
I found this recent photo from Pirotecnico Reyes (Mexico) and I assume
these gems are a new twist on an old item. Probably work better with
slingshots but doesn't seem to address the reason the original US made
plastic cherry salute was banned. Maybe the CPSC could staff a Mexico
City office now that we have the North American "Free Trade" Agreement.
I'll pop for the first one way ticket and citizenship documents.
http://pyrotechnics.no-ip.org/files/juguete-6%20%20pirotecnica%20reyes%2C%20mexico.jpg
Paco
FlaMtnBkr
2006-08-04 17:56:50 UTC
Permalink
Harry,

Do you have an address for the mentioned website? I have not seen it
and a search didnt
turn up much.

Thanks!

Ryan
Post by h***@yahoo.com
Thanks for posting this John.
I've never come across any of these little guys, in spite of my
connections with the fireworks underground. Still, I can see from the
photos why the CPSC would want to ban them. Heck, they long ago banned
traditional cherry bombs.
Still, when I think about it I have to wonder how many readers here
have ever seen a traditional cherry bomb. As luck would have it, I
still have a half empty box of the original things. I figured on
shooting the remaining cherry bombs and selling the empty box on eBay,
but before doing that I'll take a few pictures and post them on
Norleif's wonderful photo site. Then too, I have a partial box of some
illegal NYC M80s as well, and although their box is not so colorful,
I'll photograph them as well.
I still have several cartons of Rozzi rockets and Keystone roman
candles. Do you think that these would be worth photographing and
posting or do you think that photos of these things would simply be too
boring?
Curmudgeonly, Harry C.
Post by John Reilly
I found this recent photo from Pirotecnico Reyes (Mexico) and I assume
these gems are a new twist on an old item. Probably work better with
slingshots but doesn't seem to address the reason the original US made
plastic cherry salute was banned. Maybe the CPSC could staff a Mexico
City office now that we have the North American "Free Trade" Agreement.
I'll pop for the first one way ticket and citizenship documents.
http://pyrotechnics.no-ip.org/files/juguete-6%20%20pirotecnica%20reyes%2C%20mexico.jpg
Paco
h***@yahoo.com
2006-08-04 18:16:31 UTC
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Ryan, try this link to read the site:

http://pyrotechnics.no-ip.org/files/

To post on the site, use this link:

http://pyrotechnics.no-ip.org/

Realize that Norleif is paying for this site out of his own pocket, so
take that into account prior to posting there. I suggest all posts
there be fireworks related, but that's up to Norleif to decide.

If you noticed from my post, I am testing the water of popular demand
prior to posting photos of real cherry bombs, particularly since my
photos are high resolution and consume a great deal of web space.

Curmudgeonous regards, Harry C.
Post by FlaMtnBkr
Harry,
Do you have an address for the mentioned website? I have not seen it
and a search didnt
turn up much.
Thanks!
Ryan
Post by h***@yahoo.com
Thanks for posting this John.
I've never come across any of these little guys, in spite of my
connections with the fireworks underground. Still, I can see from the
photos why the CPSC would want to ban them. Heck, they long ago banned
traditional cherry bombs.
Still, when I think about it I have to wonder how many readers here
have ever seen a traditional cherry bomb. As luck would have it, I
still have a half empty box of the original things. I figured on
shooting the remaining cherry bombs and selling the empty box on eBay,
but before doing that I'll take a few pictures and post them on
Norleif's wonderful photo site. Then too, I have a partial box of some
illegal NYC M80s as well, and although their box is not so colorful,
I'll photograph them as well.
I still have several cartons of Rozzi rockets and Keystone roman
candles. Do you think that these would be worth photographing and
posting or do you think that photos of these things would simply be too
boring?
Curmudgeonly, Harry C.
Post by John Reilly
I found this recent photo from Pirotecnico Reyes (Mexico) and I assume
these gems are a new twist on an old item. Probably work better with
slingshots but doesn't seem to address the reason the original US made
plastic cherry salute was banned. Maybe the CPSC could staff a Mexico
City office now that we have the North American "Free Trade" Agreement.
I'll pop for the first one way ticket and citizenship documents.
http://pyrotechnics.no-ip.org/files/juguete-6%20%20pirotecnica%20reyes%2C%20mexico.jpg
Paco
Norleif Slettebø
2006-08-04 20:22:48 UTC
Permalink
I just popped i a new 200GB drive in the server, so I wouldn't be too
worried about space just yet.

The basic rules for posting is outlined at the main site.
I moderate the files as I see fit, but have only removed a few entries due
to very obvious copyright violations (Calvin & Hobbes cartoons++, and the
much debated fulcanelli papers).

The website is my own approach to "Teach yourself PHP in 21 days" only with
the amount of time I get to spend working on it, makes it more like 21 weeks
<G>.
Post by John Reilly
http://pyrotechnics.no-ip.org/files/
http://pyrotechnics.no-ip.org/
Realize that Norleif is paying for this site out of his own pocket, so
take that into account prior to posting there. I suggest all posts
there be fireworks related, but that's up to Norleif to decide.
If you noticed from my post, I am testing the water of popular demand
prior to posting photos of real cherry bombs, particularly since my
photos are high resolution and consume a great deal of web space.
Curmudgeonous regards, Harry C.
Post by FlaMtnBkr
Harry,
Do you have an address for the mentioned website? I have not seen it
and a search didnt
turn up much.
Thanks!
Ryan
Post by h***@yahoo.com
Thanks for posting this John.
I've never come across any of these little guys, in spite of my
connections with the fireworks underground. Still, I can see from the
photos why the CPSC would want to ban them. Heck, they long ago banned
traditional cherry bombs.
Still, when I think about it I have to wonder how many readers here
have ever seen a traditional cherry bomb. As luck would have it, I
still have a half empty box of the original things. I figured on
shooting the remaining cherry bombs and selling the empty box on eBay,
but before doing that I'll take a few pictures and post them on
Norleif's wonderful photo site. Then too, I have a partial box of some
illegal NYC M80s as well, and although their box is not so colorful,
I'll photograph them as well.
I still have several cartons of Rozzi rockets and Keystone roman
candles. Do you think that these would be worth photographing and
posting or do you think that photos of these things would simply be too
boring?
Curmudgeonly, Harry C.
Post by John Reilly
I found this recent photo from Pirotecnico Reyes (Mexico) and I assume
these gems are a new twist on an old item. Probably work better with
slingshots but doesn't seem to address the reason the original US made
plastic cherry salute was banned. Maybe the CPSC could staff a Mexico
City office now that we have the North American "Free Trade" Agreement.
I'll pop for the first one way ticket and citizenship documents.
http://pyrotechnics.no-ip.org/files/juguete-6%20%20pirotecnica%20reyes%2C%20mexico.jpg
Paco
jakowako2
2006-08-04 17:57:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@yahoo.com
Thanks for posting this John.
I've never come across any of these little guys, in spite of my
connections with the fireworks underground. Still, I can see from the
photos why the CPSC would want to ban them. Heck, they long ago banned
traditional cherry bombs.
Still, when I think about it I have to wonder how many readers here
have ever seen a traditional cherry bomb. As luck would have it, I
still have a half empty box of the original things. I figured on
shooting the remaining cherry bombs and selling the empty box on eBay,
but before doing that I'll take a few pictures and post them on
Norleif's wonderful photo site. Then too, I have a partial box of some
illegal NYC M80s as well, and although their box is not so colorful,
I'll photograph them as well.
I still have several cartons of Rozzi rockets and Keystone roman
candles. Do you think that these would be worth photographing and
posting or do you think that photos of these things would simply be too
boring?
Curmudgeonly, Harry C.
Post by John Reilly
I found this recent photo from Pirotecnico Reyes (Mexico) and I assume
these gems are a new twist on an old item. Probably work better with
slingshots but doesn't seem to address the reason the original US made
plastic cherry salute was banned. Maybe the CPSC could staff a Mexico
City office now that we have the North American "Free Trade" Agreement.
I'll pop for the first one way ticket and citizenship documents.
when i was a kid (uk)

people used to buy all this explosive stuf from france bring it over in
a fery take it apart shove it all in a camera pot
now thats danderus as fuck and a half

i think it was flash

but it had the same afect as a star mine but half of it blasted it out
the sides

(and no prety colors)
Thomas N.
2006-08-04 18:09:38 UTC
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Harry,

Those gems are worth money to collectors. If you ever make it to a PGI
convention they usually have events where collectors get together to
swap goddies. I'm sure you would bring smiles to a lot of guys like
kids in a candy store if you had some to trade.

Tom N
.
Post by h***@yahoo.com
Post by h***@yahoo.com
shooting the remaining cherry bombs and selling the empty box on eBay,
but before doing that I'll take a few pictures and post them on
Norleif's wonderful photo site. Then too, I have a partial box of some
illegal NYC M80s as well, and although their box is not so colorful,
I'll photograph them as well.
I still have several cartons of Rozzi rockets and Keystone roman
candles. Do you think that these would be worth photographing and
posting or do you think that photos of these things would simply be too
boring?
Curmudgeonly, Harry C.
h***@yahoo.com
2006-08-04 18:45:22 UTC
Permalink
Hi Tom,

I hope to attend next year's PGI convention, assuming that I am
accepted as a member. Then too, if the NHPA would have me, I'd assume
that the PGI would be as well. As I've previously written, I'm not much
of a member type, becasue of the reasons that I have previously cited.

I will agree to not shoot off the remaing box of 1950s cherry bombs
pending events to come. I'll simply photograph the box and some of its
contents. Still when traveling by air to PGI events, I am restricted in
what I can bring along with me. There's the rub.

Tom, if you recall, back in the 1950s and 1960s, a wholesale purchase
of Class B shells was rewarded by a lot of Class C freebies as a token
of appreciation, and yes in those days a token of respect. This is why
I have these items. The older Italian guys were very large on 'tokens
of respect'. What the kids today completely miss is that fact that at
the time these were more often than not simply little items of no great
consequence, and certainly not a bribe in any form since they always
took place after the sale was consumated. Little things like a case of
their Class C rockets, sparklers, roman candles, etc. When your
purchase $1,000 or so of Class B from these guys, you realized that
something else was going to end up in your truck, but not what. It was
also a surprise when unloading.

Not to disrespect anyone, but Rozzi and Keystone were among the best
for these little presents..."something for the kids" was the phrase
used most often. More often this translated to a bribe for the local
fire chief or police, allowing us to do things that weren't quite up to
regulation. I supose that at the time, some were selling these little
gifts on street corners in places like NYC, but most of us didn't
because you could get seriously beat up or killed by the illegal
fireworks organization in NYC by doing things like this. Hence, there
is likely a very large stash of these sorts of fireworks are still
around.

Curmudgeonly, Harry C.

p.s., Should I post the cherry bomb photos, or would those be too
boring?
Post by FlaMtnBkr
Harry,
Those gems are worth money to collectors. If you ever make it to a PGI
convention they usually have events where collectors get together to
swap goddies. I'm sure you would bring smiles to a lot of guys like
kids in a candy store if you had some to trade.
Tom N
.
Post by h***@yahoo.com
Post by h***@yahoo.com
shooting the remaining cherry bombs and selling the empty box on eBay,
but before doing that I'll take a few pictures and post them on
Norleif's wonderful photo site. Then too, I have a partial box of some
illegal NYC M80s as well, and although their box is not so colorful,
I'll photograph them as well.
I still have several cartons of Rozzi rockets and Keystone roman
candles. Do you think that these would be worth photographing and
posting or do you think that photos of these things would simply be too
boring?
Curmudgeonly, Harry C.
Norleif Slettebø
2006-08-04 21:12:55 UTC
Permalink
Post away!

I have never seen them. Only read about them.
Post by h***@yahoo.com
Hi Tom,
I hope to attend next year's PGI convention, assuming that I am
accepted as a member. Then too, if the NHPA would have me, I'd assume
that the PGI would be as well. As I've previously written, I'm not much
of a member type, becasue of the reasons that I have previously cited.
I will agree to not shoot off the remaing box of 1950s cherry bombs
pending events to come. I'll simply photograph the box and some of its
contents. Still when traveling by air to PGI events, I am restricted in
what I can bring along with me. There's the rub.
Tom, if you recall, back in the 1950s and 1960s, a wholesale purchase
of Class B shells was rewarded by a lot of Class C freebies as a token
of appreciation, and yes in those days a token of respect. This is why
I have these items. The older Italian guys were very large on 'tokens
of respect'. What the kids today completely miss is that fact that at
the time these were more often than not simply little items of no great
consequence, and certainly not a bribe in any form since they always
took place after the sale was consumated. Little things like a case of
their Class C rockets, sparklers, roman candles, etc. When your
purchase $1,000 or so of Class B from these guys, you realized that
something else was going to end up in your truck, but not what. It was
also a surprise when unloading.
Not to disrespect anyone, but Rozzi and Keystone were among the best
for these little presents..."something for the kids" was the phrase
used most often. More often this translated to a bribe for the local
fire chief or police, allowing us to do things that weren't quite up to
regulation. I supose that at the time, some were selling these little
gifts on street corners in places like NYC, but most of us didn't
because you could get seriously beat up or killed by the illegal
fireworks organization in NYC by doing things like this. Hence, there
is likely a very large stash of these sorts of fireworks are still
around.
Curmudgeonly, Harry C.
p.s., Should I post the cherry bomb photos, or would those be too
boring?
Post by FlaMtnBkr
Harry,
Those gems are worth money to collectors. If you ever make it to a PGI
convention they usually have events where collectors get together to
swap goddies. I'm sure you would bring smiles to a lot of guys like
kids in a candy store if you had some to trade.
Tom N
.
Post by h***@yahoo.com
Post by h***@yahoo.com
shooting the remaining cherry bombs and selling the empty box on eBay,
but before doing that I'll take a few pictures and post them on
Norleif's wonderful photo site. Then too, I have a partial box of some
illegal NYC M80s as well, and although their box is not so colorful,
I'll photograph them as well.
I still have several cartons of Rozzi rockets and Keystone roman
candles. Do you think that these would be worth photographing and
posting or do you think that photos of these things would simply be too
boring?
Curmudgeonly, Harry C.
John Reilly
2006-08-04 21:33:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Norleif Slettebø
Post away!
I have never seen them. Only read about them.
Norlief, thanks again for allowing the posting space. Since we can't
delete pictures and other files, please feel free to delete anything
I've put up there as you see fit to allow space for others. It sure is
handy to to be able to post a link to help illustrate and explain
various effects and devices.

John
Post by Norleif Slettebø
Post by h***@yahoo.com
Hi Tom,
I hope to attend next year's PGI convention, assuming that I am
accepted as a member. Then too, if the NHPA would have me, I'd assume
that the PGI would be as well. As I've previously written, I'm not much
of a member type, becasue of the reasons that I have previously cited.
I will agree to not shoot off the remaing box of 1950s cherry bombs
pending events to come. I'll simply photograph the box and some of its
contents. Still when traveling by air to PGI events, I am restricted in
what I can bring along with me. There's the rub.
Tom, if you recall, back in the 1950s and 1960s, a wholesale purchase
of Class B shells was rewarded by a lot of Class C freebies as a token
of appreciation, and yes in those days a token of respect. This is why
I have these items. The older Italian guys were very large on 'tokens
of respect'. What the kids today completely miss is that fact that at
the time these were more often than not simply little items of no great
consequence, and certainly not a bribe in any form since they always
took place after the sale was consumated. Little things like a case of
their Class C rockets, sparklers, roman candles, etc. When your
purchase $1,000 or so of Class B from these guys, you realized that
something else was going to end up in your truck, but not what. It was
also a surprise when unloading.
Not to disrespect anyone, but Rozzi and Keystone were among the best
for these little presents..."something for the kids" was the phrase
used most often. More often this translated to a bribe for the local
fire chief or police, allowing us to do things that weren't quite up to
regulation. I supose that at the time, some were selling these little
gifts on street corners in places like NYC, but most of us didn't
because you could get seriously beat up or killed by the illegal
fireworks organization in NYC by doing things like this. Hence, there
is likely a very large stash of these sorts of fireworks are still
around.
Curmudgeonly, Harry C.
p.s., Should I post the cherry bomb photos, or would those be too
boring?
Post by FlaMtnBkr
Harry,
Those gems are worth money to collectors. If you ever make it to a PGI
convention they usually have events where collectors get together to
swap goddies. I'm sure you would bring smiles to a lot of guys like
kids in a candy store if you had some to trade.
Tom N
.
Post by h***@yahoo.com
Post by h***@yahoo.com
shooting the remaining cherry bombs and selling the empty box on eBay,
but before doing that I'll take a few pictures and post them on
Norleif's wonderful photo site. Then too, I have a partial box of some
illegal NYC M80s as well, and although their box is not so colorful,
I'll photograph them as well.
I still have several cartons of Rozzi rockets and Keystone roman
candles. Do you think that these would be worth photographing and
posting or do you think that photos of these things would simply be too
boring?
Curmudgeonly, Harry C.
Norleif Slettebø
2006-08-04 23:09:39 UTC
Permalink
A bit O.T.
"Since we can't delete pictures and other files, please feel free to delete
anything I've put up there as you see fit to allow space for others."
Actually... The files can be removed, using the "abuse" feature on the
main(uploading) site.
To prevent the abuse feature from being abused (!!) the files are made
unavailable until I can verify that the abuse claim is valid. If not, the
files are "re-instated". Space is not an issue. If you guys manage to pack
the server full, I'll just add more drives. There are room for six more in
it, so don't worry!

"It sure is handy to to be able to post a link to help illustrate and
explain various effects and devices."
Exactly my intention!
There are many free (to the user, not to the advertisers) image/file hosting
services out there but most of them are too fuzzy to be really usefull, and
all of them are going to give the users an epileptic fit.

Back to topic:
It's interresting to read about fireworks traditions in the US, as we have
none in Norway that I'm old enough to know about (1981) and the year-round
ban except Jan.1st has basically kept my generation oblivious to the art of
fireworks.
But those "Mexican cherrybombs" pictures looks like small firecrackers
stuffed half-way into some cheap plastic balls.
http://pyrotechnics.no-ip.org/files/juguete-6%20%20pirotecnica%20reyes%2C%20mexico.jpg
The design seems to be vastly inferior to the traditional ones.
Post by Norleif Slettebø
Post away!
I have never seen them. Only read about them.
Norlief, thanks again for allowing the posting space. Since we can't
delete pictures and other files, please feel free to delete anything
I've put up there as you see fit to allow space for others. It sure is
handy to to be able to post a link to help illustrate and explain
various effects and devices.

John
Post by Norleif Slettebø
Post by h***@yahoo.com
Hi Tom,
I hope to attend next year's PGI convention, assuming that I am
accepted as a member. Then too, if the NHPA would have me, I'd assume
that the PGI would be as well. As I've previously written, I'm not much
of a member type, becasue of the reasons that I have previously cited.
I will agree to not shoot off the remaing box of 1950s cherry bombs
pending events to come. I'll simply photograph the box and some of its
contents. Still when traveling by air to PGI events, I am restricted in
what I can bring along with me. There's the rub.
Tom, if you recall, back in the 1950s and 1960s, a wholesale purchase
of Class B shells was rewarded by a lot of Class C freebies as a token
of appreciation, and yes in those days a token of respect. This is why
I have these items. The older Italian guys were very large on 'tokens
of respect'. What the kids today completely miss is that fact that at
the time these were more often than not simply little items of no great
consequence, and certainly not a bribe in any form since they always
took place after the sale was consumated. Little things like a case of
their Class C rockets, sparklers, roman candles, etc. When your
purchase $1,000 or so of Class B from these guys, you realized that
something else was going to end up in your truck, but not what. It was
also a surprise when unloading.
Not to disrespect anyone, but Rozzi and Keystone were among the best
for these little presents..."something for the kids" was the phrase
used most often. More often this translated to a bribe for the local
fire chief or police, allowing us to do things that weren't quite up to
regulation. I supose that at the time, some were selling these little
gifts on street corners in places like NYC, but most of us didn't
because you could get seriously beat up or killed by the illegal
fireworks organization in NYC by doing things like this. Hence, there
is likely a very large stash of these sorts of fireworks are still
around.
Curmudgeonly, Harry C.
p.s., Should I post the cherry bomb photos, or would those be too
boring?
Post by FlaMtnBkr
Harry,
Those gems are worth money to collectors. If you ever make it to a PGI
convention they usually have events where collectors get together to
swap goddies. I'm sure you would bring smiles to a lot of guys like
kids in a candy store if you had some to trade.
Tom N
.
Post by h***@yahoo.com
Post by h***@yahoo.com
shooting the remaining cherry bombs and selling the empty box on eBay,
but before doing that I'll take a few pictures and post them on
Norleif's wonderful photo site. Then too, I have a partial box of some
illegal NYC M80s as well, and although their box is not so colorful,
I'll photograph them as well.
I still have several cartons of Rozzi rockets and Keystone roman
candles. Do you think that these would be worth photographing and
posting or do you think that photos of these things would simply be too
boring?
Curmudgeonly, Harry C.
h***@yahoo.com
2006-08-05 22:52:52 UTC
Permalink
Norleif, expect some additions during the next two week. Do with them
as you see fit.
The firms in question are long out of business, and with the exception
of some artistic illustrations of ground display offerings (scanned
from the catalog of still another American fireworks firm now long
defunct), original photographs are my work and copyright free as was
the paid trade-show model sitting with the shooting macine sittiting on
or lap! (Actually when she took off that silly wig, she was a dark
haired Italian lady with two children to support, and for here this
shot earned her $75 and more importantly for her it was published in
roughly 30 well circulated electronics trade pubs at that time. Those
were strange times, and that photo was actually shot at a convention of
the National School Board Association being held in SF. You may
reasonable ask why Systrex was displaying a fireworks shooting sytem at
a NSBA contention, but then you have to realize that this was a
multi-functional device, whcih was designed to serve multiple function
is many different marketplaces. Only the specific interface boards
employed defined it's end furnction.

Same thing with the color photo, one version of which was marketed to
real estate agents to help their sales to home buyers. Another
application was inventory management. Oddly enough, most sales (in fact
almost all of them) were to the US DOD who used them for programming
the sequence of event on their infiltration training courses. What is
not show in this photo is the little pistol grip trigger decive, which
Systrex acquired on the military surplus market, that allowed with a
singer press of its trigger for a training officer to either halt the
firing sequence, single step through it, or allow it to run
automatically as programmed. We sold a lot of these boxes, which is
something that most army or marine recruits (even today) may be fully
justified in hating me for.

Still, the cadre loved it...and although I am not positve, long after
Systrex was out of the business, the government assigned a military
designation to Systrex's little firing box. Since these firing systems
were circa the 1970s, likely other vendors with even more sophisticated
and approved firing systems exist today. Even some on the QPL. Still,
those were remarkable days, and that photo that I posed is a bit of
history although a familiar sight of the DIs in the Army and Marine
Training Commands.

And yes, I was the bastard that deigned it. Worse still, I went on to
better and bigger things. Remember Sea Launched Tomahawk. Yep, I was a
member of the design team for SLCM -- The "Nuke em till theyh glow"
guys. Most readers of rec.pyrotechnics have no idea of the consequence
of simpy one nuclear warhead, and most of us guys including the Cal
Tek, MIT, and Drexel crowd....

Whoops, getting carried away, still it suffices to that that while many
of the posters her occupy themselve with consumer and display
fireworks, more than a few here would be considered capable of
mechanisms that could eliminate todays middle eastern conflicts in a
single stroke.

Again from a movie:

"Does that power exist"
"Yes, I assure you that that sort of power exists."

I can also call your attention to the fact that today both sides of the
dispute are carefully avoiding triggerin a mouse trap that could easily
consume and destroy them both.

Both sides realiz this fact, so it will be very interesting to see what
happens next.

. Harry C.
Post by Norleif Slettebø
Post away!
I have never seen them. Only read about them.
Post by h***@yahoo.com
Hi Tom,
I hope to attend next year's PGI convention, assuming that I am
accepted as a member. Then too, if the NHPA would have me, I'd assume
that the PGI would be as well. As I've previously written, I'm not much
of a member type, becasue of the reasons that I have previously cited.
I will agree to not shoot off the remaing box of 1950s cherry bombs
pending events to come. I'll simply photograph the box and some of its
contents. Still when traveling by air to PGI events, I am restricted in
what I can bring along with me. There's the rub.
Tom, if you recall, back in the 1950s and 1960s, a wholesale purchase
of Class B shells was rewarded by a lot of Class C freebies as a token
of appreciation, and yes in those days a token of respect. This is why
I have these items. The older Italian guys were very large on 'tokens
of respect'. What the kids today completely miss is that fact that at
the time these were more often than not simply little items of no great
consequence, and certainly not a bribe in any form since they always
took place after the sale was consumated. Little things like a case of
their Class C rockets, sparklers, roman candles, etc. When your
purchase $1,000 or so of Class B from these guys, you realized that
something else was going to end up in your truck, but not what. It was
also a surprise when unloading.
Not to disrespect anyone, but Rozzi and Keystone were among the best
for these little presents..."something for the kids" was the phrase
used most often. More often this translated to a bribe for the local
fire chief or police, allowing us to do things that weren't quite up to
regulation. I supose that at the time, some were selling these little
gifts on street corners in places like NYC, but most of us didn't
because you could get seriously beat up or killed by the illegal
fireworks organization in NYC by doing things like this. Hence, there
is likely a very large stash of these sorts of fireworks are still
around.
Curmudgeonly, Harry C.
p.s., Should I post the cherry bomb photos, or would those be too
boring?
Post by FlaMtnBkr
Harry,
Those gems are worth money to collectors. If you ever make it to a PGI
convention they usually have events where collectors get together to
swap goddies. I'm sure you would bring smiles to a lot of guys like
kids in a candy store if you had some to trade.
Tom N
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Post by h***@yahoo.com
Post by h***@yahoo.com
shooting the remaining cherry bombs and selling the empty box on eBay,
but before doing that I'll take a few pictures and post them on
Norleif's wonderful photo site. Then too, I have a partial box of some
illegal NYC M80s as well, and although their box is not so colorful,
I'll photograph them as well.
I still have several cartons of Rozzi rockets and Keystone roman
candles. Do you think that these would be worth photographing and
posting or do you think that photos of these things would simply be too
boring?
Curmudgeonly, Harry C.
J.E.B.
2006-08-04 21:44:28 UTC
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Post by h***@yahoo.com
Still, when I think about it I have to wonder how many readers here
have ever seen a traditional cherry bomb.
Harry that brings back lots of childhood memorys. I grew up about 1/2
mile from united fireworks just outside dayton ohio. During the 60s
they would open there doors 2 weeks before the 4th. They had whisky
barrels full of cherry bombs just behind the counter; 5 cents each!
Those things were even better than m80s.
donald haarmann
2006-08-04 21:56:55 UTC
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"J.E.B." <***@rjsonline.net

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| Harry that brings back lots of childhood memorys. I grew up about 1/2
| mile from united fireworks just outside dayton ohio. During the 60s
| they would open there doors 2 weeks before the 4th. They had whisky
| barrels full of cherry bombs just behind the counter; 5 cents each!
| Those things were even better than m80s.



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$6 a half gross (same for "ash cans") in da Bronx late 50's.
--
donald j haarmann
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A psychiatrist is a man who
goes to the Folies Bergére
and looks at the audience.
Mervyn Stockwood [Attrib.]
donald haarmann
2006-08-04 18:45:54 UTC
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"John Reilly" <***@birch.net

|I found this recent photo from Pirotecnico Reyes (Mexico) and I assume
| these gems are a new twist on an old item. Probably work better with
| slingshots but doesn't seem to address the reason the original US made
| plastic cherry salute was banned. Maybe the CPSC could staff a Mexico
| City office now that we have the North American "Free Trade" Agreement.
| I'll pop for the first one way ticket and citizenship documents.
|
| http://pyrotechnics.no-ip.org/files/juguete-6%20%20pirotecnica%20reyes%2C%20mexico.jpg
|
|
| Paco



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The Infamous Plastic Cherry Bomb
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From: donald j haarmann - view profile
Date: Mon, Sep 1 1997 12:00 am




THE PLASTIC CHERRY BOMB
by Frederick B. Wagner III
American Pyrotechnist Fireworks News
October 1971

The Plastic Cherry Bomb, invented, produced, and distributed by Bernard Semel,
is by far the most unique and powerful exploding item that I have ever purchased
at a place that sells fireworks.

I purchased the cherry bombs in Virginia at a gas station in April of 1963 on the
return from a trip to Florida. In a letter dated July 15,1970, from Jack Leonard, he
said, "I visited a dealer in 1964 located at Baileys Crossroads, Virginia, and he
told me that Prince William County was the place to buy them in 1963." I only
purchased one dollar's worth, or 12 Plastic Cherry Bombs, and they were handed
to me in a paper bag with a warning from the seller that they were extremely
powerful and that I should handle them with extreme caution. Thus, I do not know
if they were ever made up to be sold in one half or full gross boxes as regular
cherry bombs were sold.

When I arrived home, I took one of the bombs to my friend's house where we
inserted it in a rather large plastic model of a ship he had, and just to be extra
cautious, we added about 6 inches of Jetex Fuse so that we would be about 75
feet away when it exploded. The blast was so powerful that it just about atomized
his plastic model! After searching for about an hour, the biggest piece we found
was about one quarter inch square, and the spot on their driveway where the
bomb was located had been broken up by the blast!!! Needless to say, I just
couldn't believe so much explosive power could come from so small an item!
Since then I have never set one off with just the green piece of safety fuse
furnished, but have always added another piece of fuse to be sure never to be
closer than 50 feet from one when it exploded. In the same letter from Jack
previously mentioned he goes on to say, "The dealer at Baileys Crossroads
backs up what you told me about the plastic cherries very powerful. He said that
he threw one on his front lawn, and it blew a hole in it, where a regular cherry
bomb would have only removed some grass." In the next letter I received from
Jack, dated August 1, 1970, he quoted and article in the Baltimore "News
American" in 1963 in which the paper said that; the FBI was running experiments
on the Plastic Cherry Bombs, and found that they were as powerful as a military
blasting cap four times as powerful as the regular type. I have included below
specifications of a Plastic Cherry Bomb.

SPECIFICATIONS:

O.D. 15/16"
I.D. 3/4"

CASING
Smooth round plastic case with a seam in the middle.

FUSE
1/8" green safety fuse, 1 1/4" extending from the plastic casing.

EXPLOSIVE
Unknown as to the composition, produces a yellow circular flash about one foot
in diameter on exploding. Not a flash powder composition.

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FOLLOW UP ON THE PLASTIC CHERRY BOMB
American Pyrotechnist Fireworks News
December 1971

After reading Fred Wagner's article on this device in the October issue, K L sent
us a copy of a long article in MAN'S MAGAZINE, unidentified as to issue, titled:
"Fireworks Kill!" by Len Guttridge. In this article, invention of the device is
credited to a William S. Blaum of Maryland, citing a patent dated Nov., 1961,
rather than to Bernard Semel, as stated by Mr. Wagner. It also states that
Marine demolition experts at Quantico, Va. found the explosive effect of the
plastic cherry bomb to be equal to that of four or five military dynamite caps and
the charge is a high explosive fulminate! These things are "fireworks"?

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A letter from [anon]
Approximately April 4, 1983

Dear Louis,

About the same time Fred bought his I too bought a dozen of these goodies in a
gas station in Va. (maybe the same place) Unlike his one of mine was a dud so I
decided to open It up and see what was in it. This I did by stomping it.* It
contained a great deal of dark grey flash . Probably similar to that M 80 formula.
The reason I suspect these were so horrendous is they 1) contained far more
flash than an ordinary CB and 2) that ultra strong plastic casing . Also the flash in
the PCB may have boon premixed.

*By some miracle I'm not known as peg leg today.

Another important difference I suspect between the conventional cherry and the
plastic CB (besides having far more flash) is that the flash was probably put in
the plastic CB premixed .. in the conventional CB the flash was put in one
ingredient at a time with shifting boards. (See Weingart for more on this device.
The tops were put on and the CB's put into a "sweety barrel" (a device like a
cement mixer) See Davis "Chemistry of Powder and Explosives" where they
were tumbled, sprayed with water glass (or some sort of water soluble glue).
Sawdust and they were tumbled some more. Lastly some. red vegetable dye was
sprayed on them and they were dumped out on a table and allowed to sit until
the outside was dry. At this point a hole was drilled in the outer casing (Oh that
must have been a swell Job!) and the fuse. inserted (and glued 1n place with a
little dab of pyro adhesive).

I suspect the powder often didn't get mixed all that well often times, also some of
the KCIO3 would cake on the damp casing (or crystallize, etc.). Also the casing
had to be largely empty to allow the chemicals to move about.

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Fireworks Kill
Len Guttridge
In part.


... by those who prefer to celebrate with ear splitting detonations and can't
conveniently obtain hand grenades. That's why the cherry bomb was invented. In
the latest variety, the pasteboard that originally encased the explosive charge
has been replaced by shiny red plastic, which not only catches the eye but
contains the explosion longer, thus generating greater ever force… a force equal
to that of four or five military dynamite caps. That is the opinion of U.S. Marine
demolition experts at Quantico Virginia, following tests of cherry bombs which
cracked bricks in half, ruptured slabs of street metal, and hurled the pieces 50
feet….

The tests were requested by a U.S Senate subcommittee investigating a rash of
cherry bombings in 1963. One July afternoon the subcommittee's chief
investigator, Bill Mooney, pored through back files in the U.S. Patent Office in
Washington, D.C., and turned up an application for a patent on the plastic cherry
bomb, dated November, 1961. Applicant: William S. Baum, of Maryland. Baum
described his bomb thus: “An improved salute emboding a hollow shell having
moisture proof and gas tight characteristics that are provided to assure that the
salute will not become defective if unduly exposed to dampness and also to
assure that the eruption of the shell by the expanding gases from the burning
fulminate will result in a loud and very impressive noise. It is to be understood,
however, that the plastic composition of the shell or housing is of such a nature
that the heat and force of the attendant explosion of the salute will result in a
substantially complete disintegration or pulverization of the same, thus precluding
any danger from flying particles or sharp fragments."

Mooney glowered at the application. Great God, how many pieces did shell find
in the Recinos kid? By latest count 24 fragments of plastic shrapnel had been
taken from the injured son of Andrew Recinos and a local physicians and several
hospital surgeons were sill probing form more . The boy had been cherry
bombed while canoeing on Lake Barcroft, 10 miles south of Washington, by a
teenage gang in another canoe. That Sunday afternoon the same gang had
attacked a swimmer who was dredged up lifeless from the lake bottom the next
day.

State police weren't sure that a cherry bomb could have caused his death, so
they ran tests. A cherry bomb was detonated beneath the surface of the of the
water, 10 feet from a submerged coconut simulating the human skull. It split the
coconut wide open!

Additional evidence of the cherry bomb's extra-lethal force in water wasn't
lacking. A cherry bomb exploded below a boy swimming in the Ohio River. It
killed him. Doctors in the autopsy room found that the victim's heart and stomach
were as hideously mutilated as if he had been beaten to death with a
sledgehammer….

Colonel Randolph Berkeley, USMC came froward with fragments of Cherry
bomb. Another bomb from the same box, bought on July 4 from a roadside
stand near Woodbridge, Virginia, had burst at his 16 old son's feet and destroyed
the boy's right eye. Investigator Mooney examined the fragments and noted the
small numerals imprinted by the molding device. They matched those
surrendered to the police by an Arlington mother whose son had bought them in
half-gross cartons priced at $5 each, from a traveling dealer in a pickup truck.
--
donald j haarmann
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If all the young ladies who attended the
Yale promenade dance were laid end to
end, no one would be the least surprised.
Dorothy Parker


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John Smith
2006-08-05 03:28:12 UTC
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Those look suspiciously like a variant on a "Dragon's Egg" type firework
I've seen elsewhere. The plastic cherry bombs I saw maybe 15 years ago were
made with a polystyrene plastic, snap together cup set and dipped in some
sort of plastic goop to seal them.
Post by John Reilly
I found this recent photo from Pirotecnico Reyes (Mexico) and I assume
these gems are a new twist on an old item. Probably work better with
slingshots but doesn't seem to address the reason the original US made
plastic cherry salute was banned. Maybe the CPSC could staff a Mexico
City office now that we have the North American "Free Trade" Agreement.
I'll pop for the first one way ticket and citizenship documents.
John Reilly
2006-08-05 13:08:37 UTC
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Yes, it may be that these are not cylindrical flash salutes glued into
plastic ball sets but something like a "Dragon Egg" composition. I
couldn't determine that from the site. I can't imagine why the
manufacturer would not just put the flashpowder in the plastic sphere
sets if these are simply flash report items.

John
Post by John Smith
Those look suspiciously like a variant on a "Dragon's Egg" type firework
I've seen elsewhere. The plastic cherry bombs I saw maybe 15 years ago were
made with a polystyrene plastic, snap together cup set and dipped in some
sort of plastic goop to seal them.
Post by John Reilly
I found this recent photo from Pirotecnico Reyes (Mexico) and I assume
these gems are a new twist on an old item. Probably work better with
slingshots but doesn't seem to address the reason the original US made
plastic cherry salute was banned. Maybe the CPSC could staff a Mexico
City office now that we have the North American "Free Trade" Agreement.
I'll pop for the first one way ticket and citizenship documents.
Thomas N.
2006-08-05 20:27:24 UTC
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Harry,

Air travel with cherry bombs would put you on the front page of some
newspaper! I suppose you would have a problem bringing them. Do with
them what you desire.

I finally checked out the photo page. Very cool. Thanks everyone for
posting the pics on there. I plan to post some pics too in the future.

Thomas N.
Post by John Reilly
Yes, it may be that these are not cylindrical flash salutes glued into
plastic ball sets but something like a "Dragon Egg" composition. I
couldn't determine that from the site. I can't imagine why the
manufacturer would not just put the flashpowder in the plastic sphere
sets if these are simply flash report items.
John
Post by John Smith
Those look suspiciously like a variant on a "Dragon's Egg" type firework
I've seen elsewhere. The plastic cherry bombs I saw maybe 15 years ago were
made with a polystyrene plastic, snap together cup set and dipped in some
sort of plastic goop to seal them.
Post by John Reilly
I found this recent photo from Pirotecnico Reyes (Mexico) and I assume
these gems are a new twist on an old item. Probably work better with
slingshots but doesn't seem to address the reason the original US made
plastic cherry salute was banned. Maybe the CPSC could staff a Mexico
City office now that we have the North American "Free Trade" Agreement.
I'll pop for the first one way ticket and citizenship documents.
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