Discussion:
Colours Without KP
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Pyro_Dan_Downunder
2004-08-23 13:07:08 UTC
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Hey all,

Sorry as I know if i search this group again i will find some but i
thought it would be easier as well as im sure peole are looking or
wanting this information. I was just wondering if someone/some people
would reply with compositions and formulas for making any sorts of
colours without the chemical potassium perchlorate or potassium
chlorate.

Greatly appreciate your help for not just me but for al those who will
benifit from these posts.

Pyro Dan Downunder
Alan Yates
2004-08-23 13:52:04 UTC
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Barium and Strontium Nitrates?
Post by Pyro_Dan_Downunder
Hey all,
Sorry as I know if i search this group again i will find some but i
thought it would be easier as well as im sure peole are looking or
wanting this information. I was just wondering if someone/some people
would reply with compositions and formulas for making any sorts of
colours without the chemical potassium perchlorate or potassium
chlorate.
Greatly appreciate your help for not just me but for al those who will
benifit from these posts.
Pyro Dan Downunder
--
Alan Yates
http://www.vk2zay.net/
PyroLeo
2004-08-23 17:28:22 UTC
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No, that won't do Alan, he wants color formulas spoon-fed to him "for all who
will benefit... yada...yada...yada...". He doesn't wish to actually do any
work searching for the formulas or reading a book. This list gets more
exasperating all the time!

Dan, can you just go to one website? Here's a link to the PFP formula
database.

http://come.to/pfp

I don't use it myself but found the link easily at Yahoo. I see there are some
Lancaster star formulas quoted there which don't use chlorate or perchlorate.

Leo
--------------------
Alan Yates ***@ay.com.au wrote:
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Barium and Strontium Nitrates?
Post by Pyro_Dan_Downunder
Hey all,
Sorry as I know if i search this group again i will find some but i
thought it would be easier as well as im sure peole are looking or
wanting this information. I was just wondering if someone/some people
would reply with compositions and formulas for making any sorts of
colours without the chemical potassium perchlorate or potassium
chlorate.
Greatly appreciate your help for not just me but for al those who will
benifit from these posts.
Pyro Dan Downunder
--
Alan Yates
http://www.vk2zay.net/
Old Dog
2004-08-23 14:47:06 UTC
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This same question was asked just last week. The reply should still be on your
server...

-Rich
Post by Pyro_Dan_Downunder
Hey all,
Sorry as I know if i search this group again i will find some but i
thought it would be easier as well as im sure peole are looking or
wanting this information. I was just wondering if someone/some people
would reply with compositions and formulas for making any sorts of
colours without the chemical potassium perchlorate or potassium
chlorate.
Greatly appreciate your help for not just me but for al those who will
benifit from these posts.
Pyro Dan Downunder
Smeltsmoke
2004-08-23 14:52:19 UTC
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Post by Pyro_Dan_Downunder
Hey all,
Sorry as I know if i search this group again i will find some but i
thought it would be easier as well as im sure peole are looking or
wanting this information. I was just wondering if someone/some people
would reply with compositions and formulas for making any sorts of
colours without the chemical potassium perchlorate or potassium
chlorate.
Greatly appreciate your help for not just me but for al those who will
benifit from these posts.
Pyro Dan Downunder
Was there nothing you saw on the link that I postsed last time?
Mike Swisher
2004-08-23 15:21:51 UTC
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See Troy Fish's "Green and Other Colored Flame Metal Fuel Compositions Using
Parlon," pp. 25 - 37, Pyrotechnica VII (May 1981). Green, red, and yellow
compositions using nitrates of barium, strontium, and sodium respectively as
oxidizers are given there.



In article <***@posting.google.com>, Pyro_Dan_Downunder
says...
Post by Pyro_Dan_Downunder
Hey all,
Sorry as I know if i search this group again i will find some but i
thought it would be easier as well as im sure peole are looking or
wanting this information. I was just wondering if someone/some people
would reply with compositions and formulas for making any sorts of
colours without the chemical potassium perchlorate or potassium
chlorate.
Greatly appreciate your help for not just me but for al those who will
benifit from these posts.
Pyro Dan Downunder
Pyro_Dan_Downunder
2004-08-24 01:19:35 UTC
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Hey,

Yes i have personally searched this server and found many formulaes
and searched the net and i have looked at the sites you linked me to
along with finding them myself however i know that many people know
that there are many new formulas and ones not written or that i have
access to that many people know of. However im fed up with you so
called good guys(Not all of you). You come on here and have a go at
all of us looking for info. This does not promote yourself nor the
pyrotechnic hobby. I too have had many emails at home to my email
directly about colours without KP or its chlorate brother. I wanted
this to work as it wanted it to link people to a list of colours
without them as i found people know more formulas than are on most
sites. I thought this would be simple i aint having a go at any of you
directly as i know it is a bit repedative and you probably answer
questions all the time however just remember people have other reasons
behind things so dont jump to cnclusions. At least some of you
tried(Everything helps)to help then and i know i have aksed myslef but
i redid this post (to be a clean one) with just recepies of colours
without KP and its chlorate bro as some of us are unable to access the
chemical so i can link people to this post so they to can view.

Thanks to those who have helped however i would like people to take
this seriously please and help make this colours recepies. Or at least
help me find a previous post that does this that i can use as a link.

Pyro Dan

So without
pyroman
2004-08-24 12:45:51 UTC
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Post by Pyro_Dan_Downunder
Hey,
Yes i have personally searched this server and found many formulaes
and searched the net and i have looked at the sites you linked me to
along with finding them myself however i know that many people know
that there are many new formulas and ones not written or that i have
access to that many people know of. However im fed up with you so
called good guys(Not all of you). You come on here and have a go at
all of us looking for info. This does not promote yourself nor the
pyrotechnic hobby. I too have had many emails at home to my email
directly about colours without KP or its chlorate brother. I wanted
this to work as it wanted it to link people to a list of colours
without them as i found people know more formulas than are on most
sites. I thought this would be simple i aint having a go at any of you
directly as i know it is a bit repedative and you probably answer
questions all the time however just remember people have other reasons
behind things so dont jump to cnclusions. At least some of you
tried(Everything helps)to help then and i know i have aksed myslef but
i redid this post (to be a clean one) with just recepies of colours
without KP and its chlorate bro as some of us are unable to access the
chemical so i can link people to this post so they to can view.
Thanks to those who have helped however i would like people to take
this seriously please and help make this colours recepies. Or at least
help me find a previous post that does this that i can use as a link.
Pyro Dan
I can help you Dan.You can access to good color using two different
fuels : Magnesium and Aluminium Dark Pyro,Indian Grade!

What`s more?

Yours,
Indian Pyro
Post by Pyro_Dan_Downunder
So without
donald j haarmann
2004-08-24 00:33:06 UTC
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Post by Pyro_Dan_Downunder
Hey all,
Sorry as I know if i search this group again i will find some but i
thought it would be easier as well as im sure peole are looking or
wanting this information. I was just wondering if someone/some people
would reply with compositions and formulas for making any sorts of
colours without the chemical potassium perchlorate or potassium
chlorate.
Greatly appreciate your help for not just me but for al those who will
benifit from these posts.
Pyro Dan Downunder
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Red railroad fusee use strontium nitrate, &c.
--
donald j haarmann
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The difference between men and boy
is the size of their chemistry sets.
© 2004 d j haarmann
Pyro_Dan_Downunder
2004-08-24 01:42:40 UTC
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Red star #7
Source: post on rec.pyrotechnics by Tommy Hakomaki
<***@mailbox.swipnet.se. Composition from an old swedish
book.
Comments:
Preparation:
Potassium nitrate.................................36
Sulfur............................................30
Meal powder.......................................36
Strontium nitrate.................................40
Antimony sulfide..................................5
Charcoal..........................................12

Red star #9
Source: rec.pyrotechnics. Post by Andrew Krywonizka. Composition from
Lancaster[2].
Comments: Produce as a pressed star
Preparation:
Strontium nitrate.................................55
Magnesium.........................................28
PVC...............................................17

Green star #3
Source:
Comments: The composition leaves lots of ash. Ammonium perchlorate
improves it (- Green star #4).
Preparation: Mix Parlon with magnesium. Add 50 volume parts of
acetone, mix well and mix in the other ingredients. If PVC is used,
add the correct amount of the solution in THF to the other
ingredients.
barium nitrate....................................50
lab grade magnesium powder........................32
Parlon or PVC.....................................18

Green star #4
Source:
Comments:
Preparation: Mix Parlon with magnesium. Add 60 volume parts of acetone
for Parlon, mix well and mix in the other ingredients. If PVC is used,
add the correct amount of the solution in THF to the other
ingredients.
barium nitrate....................................56
lab grade magnesium powder........................32
Parlon or PVC ....................................17
ammonium perchlorate..............................25

Green star #5
Source:
Comments: This mixture can be improved using ammonium perchlorate
(Green star #6).
Preparation: Add acetone. Prime with black powder. Aluminum should be
very fine, preferably dark pyro grade.
Barium nitrate....................................65
Aluminum (very fine)..............................10
Parlon rubber.....................................20
Sulfur............................................4
Boric acid........................................2

Green star #6
Source:
Comments: Fierce burning.
Preparation: Add acetone. Prime with "Priming composition #7".
Barium nitrate....................................65
Saran.............................................20
Red gum...........................................3
Sulfur............................................7
Aluminum (very fine)..............................10
Ammonium perchlorate..............................15
Boric acid........................................2
Dextrin...........................................2

Green star #8
Source: "The Pyroguide" (a document found on internet)
Comments:
Preparation: Bind with alcohol.
Barium chlorate...................................8
Lampblack.........................................1
Shellac powder....................................1

Green star #10
Source: post on rec.pyrotechnics by Tommy Hakomaki
<***@mailbox.swipnet.se. Composition from an old swedish
book.
Comments:
Preparation:
Potassium nitrate.................................35
Sulfur............................................10
Mealpowder........................................40
Barium nitrate....................................50
Charcoal..........................................10

Green star #14
Source: rec.pyrotechnics,post by Bill Nelson <***@peak.org,
Composition from "Pyrotechnica VII"[3] by T. Fish.
Comments:
Preparation:
Barium nitrate....................................65
Parlon............................................20
Pyro Aluminum.....................................10
Red gum or sulfur.................................5
Boric acid........................................+2

Blue star #2
Source:
Comments:
Preparation: Add 25 volume parts of water to dextrin and mix in the
other ingredients. Use more water if necessary.
Ammonium perchlorate..............................60
Sulfur............................................17
Copper(II)oxide...................................20
Dextrin (binder)..................................3
Red gum or Shellac................................6

Blue star #5
Source:
Comments:
Preparation: Add the PVC solution to the other ingredients. Allow some
THF to evaporate, form a cake 1 cm thick and allow it to dry on a
plastic plate (check that it doesn't dissolve in THF!). Remove the dry
cake and cut it into stars with a pair of scissors.
Ammonium perchlorate..............................63
Copper(II)oxide...................................13
Sulfur............................................10
Dextrin...........................................10
PVC...............................................12

Blue star #8
Source: rec.pyrotechnics. Posted by Tommy Hakomaki
<***@mailbox.swipnet.se
Comments:
Preparation:
Potassium nitrate.................................40
Sulfur............................................12
Mealpowder........................................40
Copper-ammonium nitrate...........................30
Charcoal..........................................10
Rosin.............................................5

Yellow star #4
Source: rec.pyrotechnics, posted by Tommy Hakomaki
<***@mailbox.swipnet.se.
Comments:
Preparation:
Potassium nitrate.................................48
Sulfur............................................24
Meal Powder........................................60
Charcoal..........................................10
Rosin.............................................2

Salmon color star
Source: rec.pyrotechnics, post by Greg A. Gallacci
<***@u.washington.edu
Comments: Sculpy is a PVC based modelling clay. The result is a
salmon-berry (reddish-orange) color.
Preparation: Warm the sculpy slightly, to make it more mixable and mix
it with the ammonium perchlorate without using solvents. Screen it
several times and make pressed stars. The stars can be baked in an
oven at 135°C for 20 minutes, which will result in much harder, more
ignitable, more intensely colored stars. Heating the stars is not
recommended though, since it could cause the stars to ignite.
Ammonium perchlorate..............................75
"Super Sculpy"....................................25

White star #1
Source: rec.pyrotechnics
Comments:
Preparation:
Potassium Nitrate.................................58
Aluminum..........................................40
Dextrin...........................................2

White star #6
Source: rec.pyrotechnics
Comments:
Preparation:
Potassium nitrate.................................59
Sulfur............................................30
Meal powder.......................................11

White star #8
Source: "The Pyroguide" (a document found on internet)
Comments: Bind with dextrin in water
Preparation:
Potassium nitrate.................................6
Sulfur............................................1
Antimony sulfide..................................2

White star #9
Source: rec.pyrotechnics, posted by Tommy Hakomaki
<***@mailbox.swipnet.se.
Comments:
Preparation:
Potassium nitrate.................................42
Sulfur............................................18
Mealpowder........................................18
Old Dog
2004-08-24 04:46:51 UTC
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These have all been posted elsewhere, and several are just plain wrong. There
are no decent blues that do not use either chlorate or one of the perchlorates,
and any that call for "meal powder" are going to be mostly orange (from the
charcoal). The "red star #7" might be slightly more reddish than a charcoal
star, but it will most assuredly not be the rich red of a good strontium
nitrate/magnalium star. The "blue star #8" is most assuredly not blue, and the
"yellow star #4" is going to be orange (from the charcoal), not really yellow.

And I thought you were focusing on non-chlorate and non-perchlorate colors.
Several of the compositions you have simply copied verbatim require ammonium
perchlorate (which is if anything harder to obtain than potassium perchlorate)
or barium chlorate.

Also, it's not sufficient to know the "ingredients" without knowing the
technique. The formulas with magnesium for example absolutely cannot be mixed
with water.

Buy a couple of good books. Lancaster or Shimizu are good for starters, or
Peregrin's IPP if you can find a copy. I believe you can still order it at
www.skylighter.com.

-Rich
Post by Pyro_Dan_Downunder
Red star #7
Source: post on rec.pyrotechnics by Tommy Hakomaki
book.
Potassium nitrate.................................36
Sulfur............................................30
Meal powder.......................................36
Strontium nitrate.................................40
Antimony sulfide..................................5
Charcoal..........................................12
Red star #9
Source: rec.pyrotechnics. Post by Andrew Krywonizka. Composition from
Lancaster[2].
Comments: Produce as a pressed star
Strontium nitrate.................................55
Magnesium.........................................28
PVC...............................................17
Green star #3
Comments: The composition leaves lots of ash. Ammonium perchlorate
improves it (- Green star #4).
Preparation: Mix Parlon with magnesium. Add 50 volume parts of
acetone, mix well and mix in the other ingredients. If PVC is used,
add the correct amount of the solution in THF to the other
ingredients.
barium nitrate....................................50
lab grade magnesium powder........................32
Parlon or PVC.....................................18
Green star #4
Preparation: Mix Parlon with magnesium. Add 60 volume parts of acetone
for Parlon, mix well and mix in the other ingredients. If PVC is used,
add the correct amount of the solution in THF to the other
ingredients.
barium nitrate....................................56
lab grade magnesium powder........................32
Parlon or PVC ....................................17
ammonium perchlorate..............................25
Green star #5
Comments: This mixture can be improved using ammonium perchlorate
(Green star #6).
Preparation: Add acetone. Prime with black powder. Aluminum should be
very fine, preferably dark pyro grade.
Barium nitrate....................................65
Aluminum (very fine)..............................10
Parlon rubber.....................................20
Sulfur............................................4
Boric acid........................................2
Green star #6
Comments: Fierce burning.
Preparation: Add acetone. Prime with "Priming composition #7".
Barium nitrate....................................65
Saran.............................................20
Red gum...........................................3
Sulfur............................................7
Aluminum (very fine)..............................10
Ammonium perchlorate..............................15
Boric acid........................................2
Dextrin...........................................2
Green star #8
Source: "The Pyroguide" (a document found on internet)
Preparation: Bind with alcohol.
Barium chlorate...................................8
Lampblack.........................................1
Shellac powder....................................1
Green star #10
Source: post on rec.pyrotechnics by Tommy Hakomaki
book.
Potassium nitrate.................................35
Sulfur............................................10
Mealpowder........................................40
Barium nitrate....................................50
Charcoal..........................................10
Green star #14
Composition from "Pyrotechnica VII"[3] by T. Fish.
Barium nitrate....................................65
Parlon............................................20
Pyro Aluminum.....................................10
Red gum or sulfur.................................5
Boric acid........................................+2
Blue star #2
Preparation: Add 25 volume parts of water to dextrin and mix in the
other ingredients. Use more water if necessary.
Ammonium perchlorate..............................60
Sulfur............................................17
Copper(II)oxide...................................20
Dextrin (binder)..................................3
Red gum or Shellac................................6
Blue star #5
Preparation: Add the PVC solution to the other ingredients. Allow some
THF to evaporate, form a cake 1 cm thick and allow it to dry on a
plastic plate (check that it doesn't dissolve in THF!). Remove the dry
cake and cut it into stars with a pair of scissors.
Ammonium perchlorate..............................63
Copper(II)oxide...................................13
Sulfur............................................10
Dextrin...........................................10
PVC...............................................12
Blue star #8
Source: rec.pyrotechnics. Posted by Tommy Hakomaki
Potassium nitrate.................................40
Sulfur............................................12
Mealpowder........................................40
Copper-ammonium nitrate...........................30
Charcoal..........................................10
Rosin.............................................5
Yellow star #4
Source: rec.pyrotechnics, posted by Tommy Hakomaki
Potassium nitrate.................................48
Sulfur............................................24
Meal Powder........................................60
Charcoal..........................................10
Rosin.............................................2
Salmon color star
Source: rec.pyrotechnics, post by Greg A. Gallacci
Comments: Sculpy is a PVC based modelling clay. The result is a
salmon-berry (reddish-orange) color.
Preparation: Warm the sculpy slightly, to make it more mixable and mix
it with the ammonium perchlorate without using solvents. Screen it
several times and make pressed stars. The stars can be baked in an
oven at 135°C for 20 minutes, which will result in much harder, more
ignitable, more intensely colored stars. Heating the stars is not
recommended though, since it could cause the stars to ignite.
Ammonium perchlorate..............................75
"Super Sculpy"....................................25
White star #1
Source: rec.pyrotechnics
Potassium Nitrate.................................58
Aluminum..........................................40
Dextrin...........................................2
White star #6
Source: rec.pyrotechnics
Potassium nitrate.................................59
Sulfur............................................30
Meal powder.......................................11
White star #8
Source: "The Pyroguide" (a document found on internet)
Comments: Bind with dextrin in water
Potassium nitrate.................................6
Sulfur............................................1
Antimony sulfide..................................2
White star #9
Source: rec.pyrotechnics, posted by Tommy Hakomaki
Potassium nitrate.................................42
Sulfur............................................18
Mealpowder........................................18
Pyro_Dan_Downunder
2004-08-24 11:24:34 UTC
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Hey,

I really do want to get some books but being in aus its is a little
harder but soon i will get to and get a stash of books its been long
awaited. Really think it will help me heaps. Always willing to read
and expand my knowledge. Um Yeah i have heard KP make about the only
good colours but i want to get some and it is extremely hard to get
some that why ive been asking to buy some from an aussie as im not
sure of shipping like if its legal or not etc.

Thanks heaps

Pyrodan
pyroman
2004-08-24 12:42:57 UTC
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Post by Pyro_Dan_Downunder
Hey all,
Sorry as I know if i search this group again i will find some but i
thought it would be easier as well as im sure peole are looking or
wanting this information. I was just wondering if someone/some people
would reply with compositions and formulas for making any sorts of
colours without the chemical potassium perchlorate or potassium
chlorate.
Greatly appreciate your help for not just me but for al those who will
benifit from these posts.
Pyro Dan Downunder
Hello Pyro Dan,

I can help you making super colors withour depending the
Potassium perchlorate and Potassium Chlorate composition!We are
manufacturing the stars without the said oxidizers above!
Red,Green,Silver,Yellow are assured! Unable to have access to intense
blue but purple can be done!
For the silver effects,Refer Lancaster book and Similarly to
Yellow color effects using cryolite in lancaster book! For the
Green,Red,I can Post the formulas if you want!

Yours,
Indian Pyro
Pyro_Dan_Downunder
2004-08-30 10:24:50 UTC
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Hello,

That would be geat if you could do that as anything would be better
than nothing. Im not saying that what i have now is boring as i quite
love making a good glitter or firedust star. However i would just like
that variation and allow for a nice mix of colours.

Thanks again.

Pyrodan

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